Friday at 17:12 ·  ·   · Share · Report
  • 3 people like this.
    • Danelle Frisbie 
      Sarah had a good run-down on how this happened: 

      "Basically, someone put in their status about having a hard time with friends who are friends with someone who is for MGM. I knew who she was referring to, and it wasn't TFB at all. She never mentioned any names, but other people starting asking about TFB's stance on MGM. A few said they would email her privately and ask, so I'd assume they did. That was it.

      TFB took one or two PM's from fans asking for her MGM stance, and assumed it was Dr. Momma. It wasn't. I remember because I was there. It just didn't happen. Instead of asking Dr Momma, she just and accused her publicly of slander on her page. Over & over again. It was completely uncalled for and unprofessional IMO.

      It was making something out of nothing. If TFB did get mean emails, it certainly wasn't from Dr. Momma herself, nor was it perpetuated by her."
      Friday at 17:22 ·   ·  4 people · 
    • Danelle Frisbie It is really sad to attack and call intactivists "terrorists" - as well as to call out a great site because of your own misguided assumptions.
      Friday at 17:22 ·   ·  5 people · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald Danielle...when people use intimidation, hate, and terror isn't that a terrorist? A few can spoil the whole bunch, unfortunately.
      Friday at 17:48 ·   ·  6 people · 
    • Michelle Richardson 
      she is only hurting her own name. Last night after she threw her fit (continues to throw) there were close to 2500 "likers" on TFB page. 420 people "unliked" thus far. She is only bringing this upon herself. Her unprofessionalism backfired. she actually threatened those who were politely asking genuine questions with a law suit. After I apologized for misunderstanding that she was already teaching classes she freaked out on me, said I should already know this detail about her. She then removed my comments and blocked me. then called us assholes. now she is accusing us of threatening her and coercing her. This would be hilarious if she wasn't so serious.
      Friday at 18:34 ·   ·  4 people · 
    • Michelle Richardson then the PP page, and I'm not joking, gained 900 new members since this whole fiasco broke out! talk about a backlash!!!!
      Friday at 18:37 ·   ·  5 people · 
    • Kara Bighley 
      It's funny. Why would someone get all bent out of shape & overly defensive if they weren't wrong? Hmmm.....

      Why go through all of the bullshit of pissing everyone off to make everyone think you're right? Hmmm....

      The more you go on and on and on and on go on and on and on and on go on and on and on and on go on and on and on and on go on and on and on and on go on and on and on and on go on and on and on and on go on and on and on and on and on and on go on and on and on and on go on and on and on and on go on and on and on and on go on and on and on and on go on and on and on and on go on and on and on and on about "I'm right! You're wrong!! Listen to me!!!" .......

      the more it's going to make people sick and tired hearing what you have to say. If there's one important thing I've learned in life, it's a little phrase that goes something like this:

      "If you're wrong, stay wrong."
      Friday at 19:49 ·   ·  2 people · 
    • Jami McLean Tricia, TFB is the one spreading hate and lies. PP never told anyone to attack TFB. People need to be careful of what they buy into without knowing the facts. TFB refused to answer questions about her stance for quite awhile. Dr.Momma never harrassed her. She did offer her intactivism info packets and TFB did not respond. Some people may have gotten nasty with TFB but it was not Dr.Momma, nor did she order anyone to harrass TFB. Now TFB is calling Dr.Momma and her friends and followers terrorists!?
      Friday at 20:48 ·   ·  1 person · 
    • Cathy Taylor I can only judge based on what I see and what I see is TFB claiming to have received these abusive, accusatory, terrorizing messages and her calling a bunch of people terrorists and trolls. What I haven't seen for myself are those messages. Why could that be?
      Friday at 21:14 ·   ·  3 people · 
    • Michelle Richardson that is a great question Cathy! Also, why would a pre-law delete "evidence"?
      Friday at 21:18 ·   ·  1 person · 
    • Kristen Marie Troutmask Terrorists kill children, torture people, & blow up everything in their path. Intactivists boldly fight for the dignity of children. DO NOT call us terrorists.
      Friday at 22:23 ·   ·  6 people · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald 
      Why does she need to prove anything to any of you? She is a childbirth educator. She is not supposed to take a stance on circumcision; she is supposed to provide factual information and help parents find factual information. Why would people assume that because she didn't respond to taking packets from one group, then that MUST mean she is pro-circ'ing? That's just silly.

      I think the bullying that has been going on by so many of the followers of WU is appalling.
      Friday at 22:24 ·   · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald And for the record, TFB (and I) are intactivitsts, although we obviously have taken a much different approach to get out the information and the message. So many of you are trying to alienate and fight your own...
      Friday at 22:28 ·   · 
    • Danelle Frisbie ヅ 
      One thing I know 100% for certain: "DrMomma" never sent Gina anything other than an offer (professionally) to send her intact care information if she'd like to look into what was being used in other newborn care courses across the nation. That is it. And nothing more. And there was certainly never any advocation for others to send hurtful things to her (if this did indeed happen). I have a difficult time believing anything from someone who is quite slanderous and filling her readers with falsehoods. This has *nothing* to do with 'peaceful parenting' other than the lies about the organization that Gina has brought into it.
      Saturday at 00:08 ·   ·  4 people · 
    • Brenda Adler 
      ‎"Tricia Fitzgerald Danielle...when people use intimidation, hate, and terror isn't that a terrorist?"

      And how would you characterize threatening to sue someone over something that isn't even related to them?

      "She is a childbirth educator. She is not supposed to take a stance on circumcision; she is supposed to provide factual information and help parents find factual information"

      Really? When I look for a doctor I ask them whether they are pro- or anti male circumcision, vaccination, and breastfeeding. Just as when hiring a midwife I ask her about her beliefs on going post-dates, ultrasounds, and a million other things. The personal beliefs of the person giving you the information effect it, even when they attempt to be unbiased.

      "I think the bullying that has been going on by so many of the followers of WU is appalling."

      If you want to tar this group based on the actions of a few at least provide evidence that they are in fact part of this group and are in fact abusive. 
      Saturday at 00:25 ·   ·  4 people · 
    • Brenda Adler 
      PS BTW Tricia you're still here, which I find remarkable, because frankly I probably would have banned you long ago if this were my page. In fact WU has banned people for less trolling than you've done.

      WU is clearly trying to take the high road here.
      Saturday at 00:27 ·   ·  2 people · 
    • Lauren Ferrari Well said Brenda!
      Saturday at 00:57 ·   · 
    • Lactivist Intactivist 
      This made me laugh in light of recent events. Looking into some old threads (from a week ago) one of Gina's real life friends wrote:

      "I know Gina cut her boys, I asked her once if she would consider NOT circing if she has a 3rd boy (they are...See more
      Saturday at 01:51 ·   · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald 
      Brenda, why are you trying to be so offensive? I'm a troll? I've been a fan of this site for quite awhile. In fact, I just posted last week on my wall how much I love WU. Which is exactly why I haven't left and I wanted to help make this situation better. Why in the world would you ban me from your page if you had one? Because I wouldn't agree with you? Are you serious? That's pretty sad Brenda.

      Obviously you don't understand professional ethics and you don't understand how it is not Gina's job, nor mine, as a childbirth educator, to push our personal views on people. Women come to me to get facts, and I provide those facts. I hope you never become a childbirth educator if you think it is okay to put one's own bias into their curriculum.

      Here is the proof you are looking for...you have been rude and insulting to me and you are part of this group.

      Why must so many on this site find it their duty to put down other women? Not very feminist of you, I must say.
      Saturday at 02:26 ·   · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald ‎"And how would you characterize threatening to sue someone over something that isn't even related to them?"

      P.S. Brenda, two wrongs DO NOT make a right.
      Saturday at 02:27 ·   · 
    • Woman Uncensored ‎"WU is clearly trying to take the high road here."

      Orrr... WU just wasn't around at the time of this conversation ;-)
      Saturday at 03:34 ·   ·  3 people · 
    • Matthew Johns You know what is interesting is that Tricia is allowed to speak here and defend Gina (even if Gina is obviously making up a lot of trash about good people and events that never took place). But over on Gina's site, no one, and I mean no one, is allowed to talk unless they are in complete agreement with her and her lunatic lies. She deletes every single rational comment - every one. So of course those on her page are thinking they know the whole story when they don't even know the half of it.
      Saturday at 05:51 ·   ·  4 people · 
    • Jen Hart lol. i'm not necessarily an intactivist and i've never been attacked here. i think someone needs to get her hormones in check.
      Saturday at 09:18 ·   · 
    • Brenda Adler 
      ‎@Tricia

      You are trolling, whether you are troll or not is irrelevant.

      So what exactly did I say that was so offensive? Its easy to use ad homineum attacks but its pretty funny when you're attacking something that is right there in black and white.

      I would ban you because you are because you are putting up drama that doesn't belong here and has nothing to do with this page. You are being illogical, and attacking people, and playing the victim. You are saying people are attacking you, etc on the thread you started. Did you take that thread down?

      So tell me, of my comments above this comment, what exactly I said which was offensive?
      Saturday at 09:44 ·   · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald 
      No Brenda, I DIDN"T take the thread down. Mind you, the thread I started to try to smooth things over. I do not know where it went. But I'm sure you won't believe me because that is what women who attack like to do...so attack away if you feel the need.

      Don't presume you know who I am, what I stand for, and anything of the kind. Calling me a troll is just making you look like a mean girl. If that's the way you roll, that's your right I guess.

      Calling me a troll is offensive. Telling me you would "ban" me is offensive to me. I am a nice person who would like to see people get along. That was my main motivation in posting what I did yesterday. If you want to respond with attacks, go for it. It doesn't make you look very nice, respectful, or intelligent though.

      If you are all about attacking and being rude then I'm sure you aren't getting the message of intactivism out to many people because they probably just tune you out and walk the other way.

      If some of you on this page would use half of your energy to actually be kind, respectful, and nice once in awhile you'd probably save a lot more penises.

      And for your comment about choosing a doctor, midwife, or pediatrician. First of all, a childbirth educator is not a health care provider, so you can't even compare the two. Secondly, when you hire a health care provider you should probably find someone who is following evidence based medicine, and their personal philosophies don't necessarily need to be known, UNLESS it is standing in their way of following evidence based medicine. My OB would NEVER have a natural birth, nor would she labor without consistent monitoring. But she knows that laboring without consistent EFM is evidence based so she will let a woman know that and will support her. There is a big difference between professional ethics and personal philosophies. If Gina or any other childbith educator is telling people their personal philosophies or is pushing them on people in their classes then that is not professional and they are not doing their job. Our job is to provide facts, all of them, regarding pregnancy and childbirth. And if we don't have all of the facts we teach parents how to find the facts. So it is irrelevant what Gina feels about MGM, although she's stated time and again that she is against it.
      Saturday at 11:14 ·   · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald Jen, do you make it a habit of making fun of women with the "hormone" insult? That sounds like something a male chauvenist would say.
      Saturday at 11:15 ·   · 
    • Bronwyn Millar i just read the blog. looks like she's clarified her position. isnt that what we were all asking for? good, she's an intactavist. can we all move on now please.
      Saturday at 13:28 ·   ·  2 people · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald amen.
      Saturday at 13:46 ·   · 
    • Kristen Marie Troutmask 
      Tricia- You need to stop whining about being "attacked." When a woman is chased down in Central Park & raped, that is an attack. When a black man is hunted & dragged behind a white man's truck, that is an attack. When a child is beaten by his parents or molested by a stranger, that is an attack. 

      You are exchanging words with random people on the internet. You are NOT being attacked; stop playing the victim. This isn't even about you. This about TFB irrationally flipping her shit on WU, making grossly exaggerated accusations, & threatening totally invalid lawsuits based on a bunch of nonsensical hearsay. If TFB is an intactivist, which I do not believe she is, she should simply have said so. She said she "would teach" about keeping children intact, which is NOT the same as advocating it. Her job as a human & a mother outweighs her job as a childbirth educator. If she is supposed to unbiasedly teach about male circ, she she teach female circ, telling of the benefits?
      Saturday at 14:15 ·   ·  1 person · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald 
      Dramatics, scare tactics, criticism, fear mongering, guilting, and strong language are not education. Facts are education. What people choose to do with those facts are up to them.

      The calm headed people who are out educating about circumcision are probably making much more of a positive impact on keeping little boys intact than the ones who are using all of the tactics above (it seems you might be included in the former group Kristen).

      So Kristen, the reason I became vocal on this page during all of this is because I KNOW FOR A FACT that Gina (TFB) falls into the latter category, ya know, since I know her as a real person and not as a random name on the internet, And I'm not going to sit by idly and watch a bunch of women who are trying to flex their muscles on the internet talk smack and act like virtual bullies, just like I would stand up for one of my friends in real life.

      I know for certain that Gina is not for circumcision, and I support her right to keep her curriculum private because it's NONE of your damn business, unless you choose to pay for her class and take it. She doesn't need to explain anything to anyone about her thoughts on MGM. And I'm sure she doesn't give two shits if you believe her either.

      I'm just fed up with catty dramatic women. Take your so called activism and do something good with it. EDUCATE...without your bias and dramatics.
      Saturday at 15:23 ·   · 
    • Kristen Marie Troutmask 
      YOU, Tricia, have just proved what a nasty human you are. You also confused the terms "former" & "latter." You are endlessly complaining about our tactics, yet yours are no better than the most militant. You are completely inaffective & you are standing up for a friend who has proven to be as juvenile as a highschool freshman. Our discussion here has nothing to do with our tactics when we take on circ in real life. In fact, my cousin, who is 12 hours into labor at present, had only one anti-MGM voice in her life, which was mine, & it came in the form of a couple friendly & informative emails, so your judgement is vapid & erroneous. When TFB decided to act like a bitter teenager, blocking even those who politely quistioned or disagreed with her, she showed her true colors, which are disgusting. THIS is what we are reacting to. Go take your own advice.
      Saturday at 15:59 ·   ·  1 person · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald 
      Kristen, you are right, I confused former and latter, my mistake. I was typing pretty fast...if you want to critique writing ability, YOU should employ spell check though, wow.
      Thanks for calling me a nasty human. That's awfully sweet of you. I never called you any names or said you were a bad person. And I'm pretty sure those who know me in real life would beg to differ about me being nasty, since I work tirelessly to make sure women and families are supported with UNBIASED facts during pregnancy and childbirth.

      So I'm confused now...I'm supposed to know that the way you act on the internet is NOT how you present info in real life, but you cannot see that maybe something that was done on the internet by Gina may NOT be representative of her in real life? See the irony here??

      Kristen, if you would like to have a discussion without insults, feel free to keep this going. But as it stands I know that I am an educator who doesn't throw my dramatic and emotional garbage into the mix and I don't bang my circumcision bible. And I know I am making a difference. If, in your eyes, that makes me a nasty human (for educating without the above mentioned AND for defending a good friend and fellow educator), then that's your right to believe what you want to believe.

      If you would like to continue going on and on about what a horrible woman Gina is b/c she didn't respond to the endless insults she was getting, have at it.
      Saturday at 16:18 ·   · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald wait...i didn't confuse former and latter kristen...the former was the first paragraph and the latter was the second group i described (calm, unbiased, etc.). you just misread. :)
      Saturday at 16:22 ·   · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald I'm a little shocked that you, Argh Matey, clicked "like" on Kristen's comment above. So do you condone insults like calling another a "nasty human"? If so, please let me know and it will definitely change the way I think about WU and you personally. I didn't take you to be that way...am I wrong?
      Saturday at 16:49 ·   · 
    • Jen Hart yea, i'm really a man.
      Saturday at 17:42 ·   · 
    • Natalie Myers Erdossy Omg Tricia please just stop. WU hasn't deleted any of your nastiness, even though you clearly aren't all that concerned about the facts here. You want to defend someone, great. You've done so, but now you're just being a brat. It's annoying and childish. You want to sing tfb's praises, go do it on her page! Ugh.
      Saturday at 18:05 ·   ·  1 person · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald 
      Natalie, I haven't attacked or been nasty at all. I merely have a dissenting opinion and perspective and it seems that is what is bothering so many of you. Look back at the comments. I've never called anyone a name, and I do know the facts of what happened and it was a huge misunderstanding. People on both sides were wrong.
      So...I guess I'll stop trying to be the mature one who is imploring the women (and men) on this page to actually be civil and respectful. 
      Insult away now if that is what you'd like to do...have at it. Ugh right back at ya.
      Saturday at 21:19 ·   · 
    • Brenda Adler 
      Also "I haven't attacked or been nasty at all"

      Nasty judgmental statements about the group
      *"I think the bullying that has been going on by so many of the followers of WU is appalling."
      *"when people use intimidation, hate, and terror isn't that a terrorist? A few can spoil the whole bunch, unfortunately." is you tarring all of this group because of the actions of people unrelated to this group
      *"So many of you are trying to alienate and fight your own..." Just because I am anti-circumcision doesn't make me part of some "anti-circumcision league"
      *"Why must so many on this site find it their duty to put down other women?"

      Nasty statements about me
      *"You have been rude and insulting to me and you are part of this group."(and an attack on this group which I do not speak for, I speak for myself) 
      *"why are you trying to be so offensive" All I did was call your BEHAVIOUR by its rightful term. Trolling behaviour doesn't make you a troll anymore than putting presents under the tree makes you Santa;
      *"But I'm sure you won't believe me because that is what women who attack like to do." If "women who attack" wouldn't believe you and you are sure I won't believe you then you are calling me a "woman that attacks" 
      "Calling me a troll is just making you look like a mean girl" -which was after I clarified for the first time that I did NOT call you a troll I merely called your behaviour what it is. 
      *"It doesn't make you look very nice, respectful, or intelligent though" and "Obviously you don't understand professional ethics " are you insinuating that I am stupid

      "it seems you might be included in the former group Kristen" you hide behind "seem" but expect her to just lie down and take it PAH. Who exactly is being catty?

      "So do you condone insults like calling another a "nasty human"?" Ever hit a like button by accident? Ever supported the spirit of a statement if not the language? One button click and its going to change your whole opinion of WU? That makes sense, but we aren't supposed to judge for pages of nasty comments and treatening to sue WU over the actions of a fan of some other page unrelated to this one?

      "Not very feminist of you" I can't speak for everyone but I am not a feminist.
      Saturday at 22:51 ·   ·  1 person · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald 
      You're not a feminist? Really? I find that surprising. Not judging...just surprised. I don't really understand how a woman could not be FOR equality in the genders and women's rights, but that's your right. I don't think we would get along in real life though.

      I don't think you're stupid and I apologize if it looked like I was calling you that. I was merely stating what I saw--I teach ethics at the university level and if people have a problem with someone having professional and personal ethics seperated that tells me they, in effect, do NOT understand professional ethics vs. personal ethics.

      I think that so many women on this page get very upset when someone has a dissenting opinion. And it's disheartening really. Brenda, your tone was a bit attacking. And I am at fault for responding the way I did. Can you admit you might have been less than respectful also? Trolling would imply I was off topic, which I wasn't...since this thread was ALL about TFB. Trolling would imply I came here out of nowhere trying to fan flames. I spoke up for the EXACT opposite reason.

      Healthy dialogue includes respect and not throwing insults around. I started commenting on everything here relating to TFB as an honest way to begin dialogue and I was continually told to go away, be quiet, stop whining, etc. I'm sorry if I responded rudely. Can you be nice now and have a civil discussion with me?
      Saturday at 23:46 ·   · 
    • Cathy Taylor 
      I just want to say something in regards to the feminist comments without actual involving myself in the discussion, if that's alright :)
      I think someone can strive to acheive equality between genders and not consider themselves a feminist- a humanitarian, perhaps? The term feminist has picked up a lot of negative connotations over the years and many women don't want to be associated with the likes of Germaine Greer or man-hating "feminists". I personally prefer the term 'humanitarian' and I think it far more accurately describes a person who believes in gender equaliy.
      Saturday at 23:58 ·   · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald good point cathy. thank you for that perspective. i like that...humanitarian. :)
      Yesterday at 00:01 ·   · 
    • Jen Hart wuuuuuhuuuuu brenda! and let's not forget that i'm a male chauvenist. yeeehaw!
      Yesterday at 08:51 ·   · 
    • Brenda Adler 
      Tricia,

      Out of all the nasty comments I pointed out, and the many others I did not, you have not you have merely said that I misinterpreted one of the many nasty things you have said. You continue to tar this whole group based on the alleged actions of a few, and yet you fail to specify what exactly you are talking about. You continue to judge me based on the actions of a group a happen to fan -I am a fan of a few pages I hate and that's certainly my right. I don't have to agree with the pages I fan.

      Your tone in your original, now missing thread; and then your comments on here were over the line. Your original thread was trolling, your comments were designed to elicit an emotional response, it was in fact baiting people so that you could feel you were right about this group. Its one thing for WU to mention what happened because almost all the people on this group had no clue as we are not fans of TFB, many on here aren't fans of PP either.

      I could take the high road and apologize, but in light of your comments I feel my statements were restrained. I have not, in fact, attacked you personally. I have said that with your disruptive behaviour you would not be welcome in my group, just as someone whose behaviour I find offensive would not be welcome in my home.

      So maybe, out of respect for my cultural roots of which sarcasm is a integral part and in light of your "apology"; I will say this :

      "I'm sorry if you misunderstood me, I was merely defending myself, members of this group who were being libeled despite not being part of this drama."
      Yesterday at 10:29 ·   · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald 
      Brenda, here, will this make you feel tons better. It seems you won't stop until you here this so since I'm not full of spite, here goes:
      You are RIGHT...I'll stroke your ego over and over again if that makes you feel like you won something on the internet. Feel better now?
      You don't know what my intention was for posting my original thread. I wasn't baiting anybody. If that's how you see it, FINE, you are right then. It's obvious to me that's all you want to hear.
      I guess you can't fathom that a nice person could have NICE intentions and that she DOESN'T like being bullied by people and told to go away when she is just trying to make a situation better.
      And as a response to your apology (which obviously you don't need to make because you are so RIGHT), "I'm sorry if you misunderstood ME, I was merely defending myself as I was originally trying to mend a fence, but eventually had to resort to defending my friend, who was being libeled."
      But you're so right. Does that make you feel tons better now and like the bigger woman??
      Yesterday at 11:15 ·   · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald Now I have to go and actually do something productive in the world-teach a childbirth class. But feel free to keep posting about how right you are all day long.
      Yesterday at 11:16 ·   · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald here=hear
      Yesterday at 11:17 ·   · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald Jen, grow up. Your comment about hormones made you SOUND like a male chauvenist. I didn't say you were a male chauvenist. It sounded like something a jerky man would say to try to put down a woman and I found it insulting that anyone, let alone, a woman, would say it. If you want to keep reminding the world that you made the comment, have at it.
      Yesterday at 11:19 ·   · 
    • Kristen Marie Troutmask 
      Tricia, this conversation with you is pointless since you are simply flaming other women for behaving in a manner you find imperfect, yet you refuse to look at your own behavior. You have been rude, condescending, & unkind, yet all you want to do is complain because I told you to stop whining. You *should* stop whining. You've been posting on here for days, making less & less sense, showing more & more hypocrisy. You are allowed to defend TFB, who is clearly wrong in this sitch, yet we are not allowed to defend WU. You are allowed to be rude & mean, yet you act like none of our points are valid merely because some of them are strongly worded. 

      Re-read your comment about former vs. latter & you'll see that you did, in fact, call Gina offensive & me calm, which is most definitely true. Read through some of my responses vs. Gina's & you'll see she has no class or grace, but behaves like a spastic teenager. Keep defending her & refusing to look at your own behavior-- it will make no difference.
      Yesterday at 12:54 ·   · 
    • Brenda Adler 
      Oi did I say I was right? No, I just said I don't chose to take the higher road, you started it you can deal with it. Don't expect to be nasty and get sunshine and love in return.

      I don't need you to stoke my ego, I don't care what you think, I will merely defend myself and this group because other people can read this.

      How are you trying to make the situation BETTER? No one on here was libeling TFB on here and what "fans" of this page do in elsewhere on facebook and in real life is their choice. Are you saying its untrue that TFB was nasty to WU and threatened to sue her, because I am reasonably sure WU has evidence of such. But in any case I know WU well enough to know she didn't make up the threat of a lawsuit out of whole cloth.

      I don't care if you apologize or acknowledge your poor behaviour. I just want you to stop being a whiny victim and stop labeling all the fans of this group based on the actions of a few people.

      My actions are MINE and MINE ALONE. WU rarely if ever censors stuff around here, though perhaps she should, so the statements of fans even on this page are theirs and theirs alone, WU isn't endorsing them, heck she doesn't necessarily even read half of them being as she has a life.

      So just stop whining. Just stop pretending you know what the heck everyone else is thinking and what their intentions are and then say no one knows what your intentions are.

      I didn't say ask for your opinion, I didn't ask you to say that I'm right, and I sure as heck didn't ask for an apology like you did. Can you just get through one whole freaking comment without belittling, libeling, attacking, whining, playing the victim, or otherwise behaving badly?

      I was going to give you a clear question so that we could change the topic of the conversation but frankly I can't think of a single thing I want to hear your opinion on particularly since you use the word "let" in reference to a medical professional and their patients actions.

      So I will just sum it up:
      *No matter what groups I fan, or what organizations I belong to, or what parenting styles I use, my actions are MY OWN and do not reflect upon any fan page or group
      *Members of this group are similarly allowed to do any thing they want off this page without it reflecting on this group
      *WU is NOT PP. And PP is NOT responsible for her fans actions, nor whether TFB misconstrues what or who the fans on PP's page were discussion
      *Just because I may or may not be anti-circumcision doesn't mean that I have to agree with all other people who are anti-circumcision, or be friends with them, or respect them.

      But seriously, you came over here and you asked for an apology because of the actions of some fans on an unrelated page and you think that's just FINE. Ok then, I demand that you apologize to my friend (James) who was mugged twice in one week while living in Chicago, since you are a resident of that city.

      OMG I can tolerate a lot of things but as anyone who knows me will testify I don't tolerate two things and the second is illogic.
      Yesterday at 14:37 ·   · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald 
      Brenda, I've said this time and again, I didn't "come over here". I've been here for awhile and I am a reader of this page, just like you. I didn't like reading comment after comment of women bad mouthing Gina. A few even called her psycho. I'm sorry, but she's my friend. I know her as a real person and I defended her. I got a lot of rudeness in return. I'm sorry I didn't respond with sunshine, roses and puppy dogs. And keep in mind that reading something on the internet isn't always a very accurate way to tell tone. Most of my posts have not had mean tone...yes, i got pissy toward the end her, but MOST of my posts were me trying to be logical and explanatory. For the pissiness, I am sorry. For the defending, I am not. And if you or anyone else inserted a sarcastic or mean tone, that is not my doing and please do not make assumptions about my intentions, as I am sorry if I projected my assumptions of your tone onto you.

      For whatever reason you have made it your personal cause to try to argue with me and make me into some sort of an illogical monster. Fine, that's what I am. An illogical trolly monster. Happy now? It doesn't matter what I write obviously, so believe whatever you need to believe...I'm not even going to bother with it anymore. I'm DONE arguing with you. Agree to disagree, ok?????? 

      And the word "let" that I used, so what, it was one word, and it applies to a lot of women in my country. Some women DO have that kind of a relationship with their providers here (you're not from the US, as far as I can tell from the spellings of some of your words), and in this country women often feel powerless when birthing. And I think it's wrong. Do I see it that way? Hell no. I don't see doctors and midwives up on pedestals. They don't "let" me do anything. I call the shots. My body, my baby, my birth. But most American women, at least the ones I work with, do see it that way. So if that one word makes me so deplorable that you can't even have a conversation with me, what else can I say?

      Kristen, NO, YOU are reading it incorrectly. Argue about it more if you want, but the first paragraph was the former and the second paragraph was the latter...but whatever??? Seriously, let it go. And you can think whatever you want about me too....which is that I'm a nasty human apparently. I NEVER called you a name and never will.
      22 hours ago ·   · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald And Brenda, tell your friend James sorry about what happened to him in Chicago. It makes me terrible to hear about those things happening in my city and they aren't right, and I DO feel a bit of responsibility because it is my city and I have a collective conscience.
      22 hours ago ·   · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald can we all just play nice now and agree to disagree?
      22 hours ago ·   · 
    • Kristen Marie Troutmask 
      No. I don't "play nice," I behave in an emotionally honest manner. You have proven to be outrageously hypocritical & that is something I can't tolerate. 

      You continued to screech about being called "nasty," but the only reason you were titled that is because you were acting nasty. I won't "play nice" with someone who attempts to manipulate moral high ground in such a fashion.

      Now carry on, ignore every valid point I have made & continue whining about how terribly mistreated both you & TFB are.
      20 hours ago ·   · 
    • Tricia Fitzgerald Kristen, move on. I think the rest of us have.
      17 hours ago ·   · 
    • Kristen Marie Troutmask So. . . why are you still commenting? Vapid personified.
      15 hours ago ·   ·